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and it hits me oh my gosh this is that

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triangle you know there's explanation

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for everything that occurred in the

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rendlesham forest incident that doesn't

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involve aliens at all it was completely

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silent it comes right over our head it's

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so a classic flying-saucer really

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standing in the clearing he turned over

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to my father and held his hand and he

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looked in his eyes and said we're not

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media that's it for me for now so what

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is going on alejandro well I am trying

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to determine whether or not my

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co-workers who have been accused of

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being reptilian aliens truly are because

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if I can prove that or at least convince

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myself of it I might be able to be on

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television I think you can convince

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yourself of it that's yeah that's the

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easy part yeah so tell me how does that

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work well I got this email from Go Go

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Luckey today and they are the people who

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do the show hangar 1 and disclosed vials

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some other goofy you fo sho I am I think

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the UFO shows these days are terrible

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personally but yeah they sent this weird

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email saying oh please we need someone

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who knows about aliens walking among us

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or reptilians walking among us

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immediately oh by Friday I I got

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something like this about but yeah I got

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something like this felt like a month

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ago and really yeah but didn't say

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reptilians it just said that aliens are

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walking among us type of yeah so so they

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need someone by friday so listeners if

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you feel add contact Alejandro Rojas

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said open minds no don't contact me

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contact Go Go Luckey just Google Go Go

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Luckey and email them and say oh I know

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all about it my neighbors are reptilians

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and then you'll go on TV and maybe

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you'll be famous hey speaking of you

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like honey boo boo hahaha the UFO shows

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that I tend to agree with you but Ben

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potentially starting a show that sound

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like it was going to be great have you

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smithsonian channel from what i

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canada first that's when i'm not sure if

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it's come to the stage yet but yeah I

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you know who knows it

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I've done a few TV shows you have done

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TV but in a different arena I suppose

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but you never know you know you go do

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the interview you feel great about it

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you're strutting around all who you know

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unfortunate that's how i feel about

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hangar 1 quite frankly in a number of

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the other shows so yeah so you never

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know and these days it gets into the

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editing and they just don't care about

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the facts they don't care about help the

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the true story in their reality programs

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think in this field that the real

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stories and the real mysteries are so

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fascinating I you too yeah it's the

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fluff they want it they want if it's if

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it's a little boring to them they want

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to make it more exciting and that's

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that's all of it all his ratings really

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that their fiction that they make up is

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more exciting than the than the genuine

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mystery and they're often wrong I think

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and they're just too lazy to look into

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the facts and it's easier just to write

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the script before you even get your so

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called experts to come and say anything

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so I it's unfortunate and I feel the

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same you know happened with oh really in

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box oh that was chasing you up I

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actually because of james fox well i was

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in it but I also helped them a lot with

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developing episodes and getting in touch

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with people for months i was helping

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them and yeah James Fox and I and a Ben

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better and unfortunately they did the

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same thing they just kind of destroyed

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it yep that's uh that's what i hear ya

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too bad yeah it is so what's happening

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with the news this week well here's

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something I never would have imagined

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about the space news and and how we're

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getting so close all the time

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22 the discovery of life elsewhere you

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know mainstream science is getting so

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close and we get closer and closer new

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evidence all the time and this is new

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evidence that none of us could have even

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seen coming that is that you know as

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exciting as the rest and you probably

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heard of this but the Cassini spacecraft

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has made some discoveries around the

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moon Saturn's moon Saturn's moon

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ago they noticed it had geysers and they

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thought wow that's interesting and they

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would they noted it in their notepad but

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those geysers and essentially the makeup

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of the water and and well that's coming

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out of there they believe that it must

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be coming out of geysers that are at the

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sea floors of these vast oceans under

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the ice on this moon and that it's very

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one like 194 degrees at these vents

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these thermal vents and so the water is

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warm enough for life so you've got this

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water you know that that's there's an

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area of water there were we would be

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comfortable even really so I pretty

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exciting squid and plankton squirting

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out of the car sir there could be squid

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there could be plankton there could be a

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reptilian amphibious sort of intelligent

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creature that has developed

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civilizations and if they get here quick

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enough they could be on TV all right

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yeah they could so yet so this is

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exciting though just another big step

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towards the inevitable distillery and

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you know it's funny my son was telling

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me about this like I what was it like a

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week ago or something like that yeah

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this came out yeah that's pretty cool oh

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yeah that this came out yeah yeah it

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came out a few days ago so pretty

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exciting it is I don't I think we are

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creeping toward that fact mm-hmm I did

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have a conversation with Jason out in

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Phoenix about that yeah and he had a

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little non-committal about saying

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a hundred percent that he thought it was

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going to be this year oh really he we've

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got this bet well I think he said in the

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next two years but I thought his bet

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that you know he was saying within the

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next year yeah I think he was he was

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giving himself a little bit of wiggle

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room when I was he amended it okay well

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go two years ain't bad but that's still

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you know you got it if you got to be a

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man and stand by your numbers I think so

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it's not to give them a bit of cup for

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that I hope you do yeah all right so

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what else is going on Wow UFOs over

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Oklahoma City so this is exciting I

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don't know if you've seen this but this

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is you're creating a buzz out there yeah

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this is essentially the Morning News cam

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goes to their their video cam that's

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over a casino called grand casino

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outside of Oklahoma City and this is

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Oklahoma City News they look at they're

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looking at the traffic on the highway

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early in the morning and zip you see

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this little light quickly move in front

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of the camera will the newscast KO co

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Coco they didn't shy away from this they

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took that 13 seconds of this thing

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flying across they didn't reference it

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or seemingly notice it during the cast

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but they put it online and so people

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have been looking at it and speculating

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a lot of people have been saying you

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know maybe it's a bug maybe it's a bird

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the next day actually KO co went to the

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local college and asked a couple

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professors they believed it could be a

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small meteor like a meteorite like I

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even pea-sized meteorite zipping across

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but you know Mark Dantonio for instance

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today the photo analyst for move on he

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adamantly disagrees with that he says

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that's ridiculous because this for one

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thing you can see it like it you can see

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it when it's all the way down to the

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ground but it it doesn't streak like a

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meteor would you know the constant

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streak you see in person there's a one I

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don't think you can't see it go all the

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way to the ground or at least I don't

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know where you know you they will

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dissolve dates a little bit down near

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the ground if you watch it I saw this

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last Sunday and I watch it over and over

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and it looks like when it's heading down

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toward the ground it doesn't show that

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it's hitting the ground but it almost

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looks like it hesitates a little bit

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something's a little funny about the

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thing well what I think my theory

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personal theory is that it's a very low

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frames per second which is common for

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cameras like that because it saves on

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memory and so that's it so it looks kind

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of jittery and that at the end there's a

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dissolve into the next scene and so it

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looks like it's moving but it's just

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like the the dissolved function you know

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making it look weird so that's that's

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what I think I don't know but regardless

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that what was interesting is Mark wasn't

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sure what it was at first he thought it

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might be a meteorite but he in looking

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at it he totally does not think that any

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more however he took look at it on a

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really large screen and he says he

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thinks now it might be a bird that's

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illuminated by the nearby light but

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that's cute Lee it's not obvious what it

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is which just shows what an interesting

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video it is so people have to check that

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out I did draw the commune Oh

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similarities between it and a video that

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was taken on a drone in the Silicon

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Valley lately all that we talked about

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last week now how we talked about that

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last week that one is a more I think

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that one more looks more likely to be a

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bug but it's also a white object zipping

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by but yeah pretty interesting video it

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is it is and last but not least last but

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not least this is the big news out there

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which is Jimmy Kimmel talking to Obama

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about UFOs so this is a causing a lot of

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controversy of course as we of course it

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would but Jimmy Kimmel the day before

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this happened I at Bretton LA Times

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piece where he said I think I'm gonna

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ask Obama about UFOs just like i did

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with clinton and of course i got excited

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and was thinking why i hope he does and

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he did so just like he did with clinton

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he said you know if if i were to be

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president which he says he'd ever would

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become president the first thing he

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would do is

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run and to where the files about area 51

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and UFOs are because he really wants to

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find out President Obama said well

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that's why you're never going to be

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President is pretty funny but yeah it

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was really funny I thought so Jimmy

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Kimmel kept talking about this Obama

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essentially said that you know I can't

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tell you because the aliens won't let us

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they keep a strict control over us and

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Jimmy Kimmel said well you know Clinton

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said he looked into it and he didn't

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find out anything and that Obama said

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well that's what we're told to say so

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and at one point he said I can't reveal

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anything and they're laughing and he's

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joking I the entire time I sod is

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laughing and joking it seems like the

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majority of Americans or people around

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the world did feel that way but of

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course you do have a number of people

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who are like I can't believe you people

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think he's joking just he's telling the

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truth the aliens won't let him talk and

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that's what they're told to say and a

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lot of our colleagues a lot of people

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we've some of the people we've

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interviewed both of us and some of them

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that are more well-known who we may have

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interviewed often are coming out and

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saying yeah he's probably telling the

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truth you know just trying to make a

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joke of it so I don't know that's what

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happens in my story I also wrote about

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you know a similar situation that

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happened back in nineteen eighty-two

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when Steven Spielberg went to the White

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House to screen ET and with Ronald and

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Nancy Reagan and at the end Ronald

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Reagan stood up and said you know

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there's not many people who know just

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how real this is and everybody started

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laughing Spielberg has said himself he

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thinks Reagan was joking he's a

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ufologist and he hopes he was hoping you

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know he wishes he wasn't joking and it

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was real but that he was just joking but

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of course a lot of our fellow

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researchers in this case believe that

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Reagan was not joking as well so that's

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what happens well he many times I think

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like three times during his presidency

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he did say something along the lines

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with if we were being attacked by you

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know someone from another world we would

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all join together and actually Bill

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Clinton said the same thing

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jimmy kimmel you know a very similar

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thing right yeah so anyway what does

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that make you think what do you what do

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you think are you telling me you think

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which is fine i respect other opinions

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do you think Obama Clinton and Reagan

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are hiding something i I really don't

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know and I i really think that it if

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there was something to hide that the

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government is hiding that I think it's

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very possible that the government would

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not let the president know it's a need

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to non type a situation that something

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has yeah Clinton has said on this topic

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I wouldn't be the first president that

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career bureaucrats have lied to and it

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makes sense that if there is a project

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out there you know it would be a need to

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know and why would you tell the

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president you probably wouldn't want to

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tell any politician yeah that's so true

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well hey this has been fun and I could

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go on and on forever about this but it

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really should problem the guests do a

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little bit of talking yeah well if you

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want all right whatever kick me to the

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curb just until next week all right

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thanks a lot and will be talk to you

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next week okay talk to you next week so

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hang in for the music clip we'll be

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Tom wortman how are you I'm great how

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are you did great and thanks for joining

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us for the show I did mention earlier in

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the monologue that this is pre-recorded

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because of their the schedules just

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didn't work but I'm actually the very

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first listener to this podcast Scott you

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did meet him at when he ER talks out

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there and he suggested to have you on

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and here you are how about that we

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mentioned Scott and we kind of talked a

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little about is switching about spaten a

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wonderful gentleman on there and I mean

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he was very much into the faculty of

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that night and I appreciate him you know

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giving you my contact information on me

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yeah we know Scott by the mega beardy

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has is a really lovely other though yeah

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but that was an easy identification when

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you pointed that out so Tom who are you

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well the listening audience who you are

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I know you have a number of titles but

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you one of the things I did read about

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you is you and I kind of share the same

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interest in science so I like that about

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you and I go ahead and tell the

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listening audience who you are well my

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name is Tom Morgan a honey sweet

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director for mutual UFO network for Ohio

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I'm also remember the star team for move

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on itself and also part of the case

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assessment which works with doing

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international places investigations out

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there this is something that you know

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when I got into this is just when I

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phone with like photo 6 that's specially

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inscribed because you know we bust our

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hind ends for how many years now like

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I'm I'm Greg non-book I'm 60 years old

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and I'm thinking I've worked behind it

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off for 42 years you raise a family you

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raise the kids you type in the chase to

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quit value help model all these years

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put them off to their study and now the

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sudden you hit in midlife crisis and its

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kind of man

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which roots in wheaton and what i want

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to that realization like supplement this

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is male logical i want to experience

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changes one ways i always ask about if I

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said you know I work could have a

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Corvette and she said he can deploy

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venison practically we've got kids I

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said kid you only one giving in fact

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Galloway that I want to bet well she's

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blonde and the veteran garage nothing

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yeah that's another thing that happens

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in life with some of us too well she

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showed me sentia that's way more than

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that logic number two you know male

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logic number two was I got with a

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motorcycle not long after you get

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married there goes to Harley and the

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guys out here probably listen to

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children make a triple Harley what type

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of video are you coming should be at

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Littleford to eternally you know well

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again like I said she's gone so the

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motor type of mounted garage to keep the

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cord the accompanist again not just male

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logic but when we cleared the label as i

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said be noisy as all these years I've

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we're talking earlier when we both had

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similar errors and ethology and mine

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started back in mid-may intensities i'm

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going to get my book of the month club

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and construe it 11 i think a cosmic

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aguanto bit like 35 to 50 cents to buy

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Frank Edwards flying saucer serious

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business then when I would that work it

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was my first book that nature I was

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taught and I went back looking from the

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back I mean I've notable a scrimmage and

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I remember it even as a kid making notes

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in the margins on my thoughts about

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different topics in presented until then

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one of those in particular there's a

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photograph from mcminnville boy them oh

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yes yeah and I was a kid I remember

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looking at full breath a little evidence

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saying about those dividers but Sam

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where is the strands don't see you at

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and i just made a note in a marquee

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saying i got a little bit and here to

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this way that photographs those hands up

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is one of the best right photographs on

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UFOs mmhmm yeah so they even have a

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festival out there once a year exactly

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and I've never been there

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something that you really love to do but

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that was where I kind of started them

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well then I kept saying that we go on

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and raise a family and we're not about

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two degrees I've got a bachelor's in

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business specialized in HR and also at a

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master's in education and I've been

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involved involved on education for this

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is going on 33 years further they say

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now it's meantime then I also see you

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know some things I've been involved with

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its field as vicious a synchronicity

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well things happen for a certain reason

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and when I got this idea to them start

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you're pursuing my career in us back

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mythology I start wonderful anybody who

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does this stuff then I just have to be

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listening to another radiators for that

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night was discussing UFOs and I long

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internet did a google search and I found

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a group called the Queen ecology project

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the wake of plane is being loaded smooth

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mattress no matter the patrol founded

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1952 and have been meeting ever since by

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the one of the first meeting and here's

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the synchronicity but was their first

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movie was only two miles more live then

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it was like two days after I found on

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the Internet I became a member i started

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taking be involved northcote group and

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that was the same time miss you know

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this because a lot of general at new

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stuff they're very good at it you've got

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some great people in the organization

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but one of the following and that's why

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i found move on and then that certified

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as a field investigator and started

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doing investigations then from that

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start roughly of almost six years ago

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now I've done I think maybe often I hit

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600 cases investigations and several

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other those had actually been in Canada

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and Letty came to many construction

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guidance and photographing safer and I

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found it when I started doing

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investigations number one I have to talk

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to people because they're seeing things

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they can't explain reality probably

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eighty percent

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can be explained out there and as I got

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involved with us are becoming more adept

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investigation skills I'm very computer

538
00:24:21,979 --> 00:24:18,249
literate I start expanding when schools

539
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:21,989
we can do an analysis and investigations

540
00:24:27,719 --> 00:24:25,570
and over these years I've had some real

541
00:24:31,049 --> 00:24:27,729
gems and investigations have just jumped

542
00:24:32,729 --> 00:24:31,059
out and I expect me to open its at some

543
00:24:35,310 --> 00:24:32,739
times by turn over a hundred cases

544
00:24:38,430 --> 00:24:35,320
before we find out done Jim a triangular

545
00:24:41,159 --> 00:24:38,440
hooded rocks but when you find that

546
00:24:44,129 --> 00:24:41,169
dream out there it makes going through

547
00:24:46,289 --> 00:24:44,139
hundred days is worth it I bet someone's

548
00:24:47,759 --> 00:24:46,299
people can we talk about some of those

549
00:24:49,759 --> 00:24:47,769
gems we don't have to right now you can

550
00:24:52,459 --> 00:24:49,769
keep keep going if you'd like but I

551
00:24:55,139 --> 00:24:52,469
would love to hear about those gems

552
00:24:57,739 --> 00:24:55,149
anytime you like I mean we're ones well

553
00:25:02,339 --> 00:24:57,749
actually two of them kind of stand up

554
00:25:04,769 --> 00:25:02,349
and one of the cases it stands out was

555
00:25:06,449 --> 00:25:04,779
one who had happened go to hell but i

556
00:25:09,599 --> 00:25:06,459
received a phone call the home run

557
00:25:13,859 --> 00:25:09,609
afternoon that was from greg lame who's

558
00:25:17,099 --> 00:25:13,869
in charge at have done cases for who is

559
00:25:19,310 --> 00:25:17,109
personal to start taking early response

560
00:25:22,469 --> 00:25:19,320
team and he notified me that there's a

561
00:25:24,539 --> 00:25:22,479
instant where two gentlemen bound in

562
00:25:27,029 --> 00:25:24,549
southern ohio in the state park called

563
00:25:30,239 --> 00:25:27,039
salt fork had had experience with

564
00:25:32,879 --> 00:25:30,249
missing honey the gentleman the doorman

565
00:25:36,209 --> 00:25:32,889
all night fishing trip they were bout an

566
00:25:39,060 --> 00:25:36,219
evening or friday evening and it was

567
00:25:41,099 --> 00:25:39,070
early Saturday morning that the discover

568
00:25:45,329 --> 00:25:41,109
debate with three and a half hours of

569
00:25:46,649 --> 00:25:45,339
time they couldnt explaining and will

570
00:25:50,310 --> 00:25:46,659
not i got the phone call that I

571
00:25:51,869 --> 00:25:50,320
immediately called the witnesses up the

572
00:25:53,879 --> 00:25:51,879
part of the witness that background

573
00:25:56,519 --> 00:25:53,889
information on the witnesses battle

574
00:25:59,010 --> 00:25:56,529
winners or authorities another than 19

575
00:26:07,230 --> 00:26:02,160
very nice individual on the phone and

576
00:26:08,940 --> 00:26:07,240
what it is I taught the senior team will

577
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:08,950
be getting Vulcan to go right back into

578
00:26:15,500 --> 00:26:11,050
a vicious a base for the Lions done at

579
00:26:18,180 --> 00:26:15,510
night they'd gotten in that house

580
00:26:20,490 --> 00:26:18,190
sometimes early morning then why talk to

581
00:26:24,330 --> 00:26:20,500
me Aquaman his record right around that

582
00:26:25,860 --> 00:26:24,340
turn out in the quad I halka require men

583
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:25,870
and I had to drive and a southern Ohio

584
00:26:31,230 --> 00:26:28,450
then we got back down to that evening

585
00:26:35,100 --> 00:26:31,240
and the men traced all we went to the

586
00:26:38,670 --> 00:26:35,110
head it was a really big case because

587
00:26:41,360 --> 00:26:38,680
it's really work they were setting law

588
00:26:43,770 --> 00:26:41,370
of am a lake down there called sulfur

589
00:26:47,460 --> 00:26:43,780
and they had their fishing poles in the

590
00:26:49,410 --> 00:26:47,470
water family this past Sonny back you

591
00:26:51,510 --> 00:26:49,420
know rebating the books every half hour

592
00:26:53,850 --> 00:26:51,520
they're going back and putting women to

593
00:26:55,830 --> 00:26:53,860
fire every half hour and even when as

594
00:26:58,890 --> 00:26:55,840
far as playing a game of each other so

595
00:27:00,900 --> 00:26:58,900
you know we've got to me that minutes

596
00:27:02,220 --> 00:27:00,910
left before we have to go back and put

597
00:27:04,890 --> 00:27:02,230
them to fire and they were dressed

598
00:27:07,860 --> 00:27:04,900
herself closer to come to exactly one

599
00:27:09,540 --> 00:27:07,870
half of an hour so they'd been doing

600
00:27:12,780 --> 00:27:09,550
that not just at night but other night

601
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:12,790
previous weapon and have gone fishing it

602
00:27:17,970 --> 00:27:14,650
was proximate about ten-thirty when they

603
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:17,980
sell first of lights to the north Kevin

604
00:27:23,460 --> 00:27:20,770
above a tree line there Washington for a

605
00:27:25,470 --> 00:27:23,470
short time and then he went back to

606
00:27:29,610 --> 00:27:25,480
fishing kind of them disregarded the

607
00:27:32,250 --> 00:27:29,620
lights of exceed at eleven-thirty lights

608
00:27:34,670 --> 00:27:32,260
come back again there are hovering back

609
00:27:39,270 --> 00:27:34,680
and forth along the same tree line area

610
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:39,280
very bright but in this case it was a

611
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:41,970
weather is much lighter normal start

612
00:27:47,580 --> 00:27:44,170
almost like a sea may be that the

613
00:27:50,250 --> 00:27:47,590
aircraft was right on top of them when i

614
00:27:52,710 --> 00:27:50,260
did my initial investigation that same

615
00:27:54,690 --> 00:27:52,720
day there were people aircraft but not

616
00:28:01,880 --> 00:27:54,700
in that same exact location early

617
00:28:03,870 --> 00:28:01,890
describing about 140 in the morning we

618
00:28:06,420 --> 00:28:03,880
remembered hearing about the worst

619
00:28:08,460 --> 00:28:06,430
shrill voice and it's your boy sound

620
00:28:10,650 --> 00:28:08,470
almost female though that company

621
00:28:11,690 --> 00:28:10,660
started getting spooked here two

622
00:28:13,669 --> 00:28:11,700
gentlemen we've been

623
00:28:18,110 --> 00:28:13,679
officially the same location not just

624
00:28:19,669 --> 00:28:18,120
once but they had probably a thousand

625
00:28:23,930 --> 00:28:19,679
hours fisherman more at that same

626
00:28:25,610 --> 00:28:23,940
location so in that area inside no well

627
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:25,620
it would scoop from the mother they

628
00:28:29,930 --> 00:28:27,210
almost happened acquired weapon they're

629
00:28:34,070 --> 00:28:29,940
actually the trépanier where they

630
00:28:35,629 --> 00:28:34,080
studied and one of john was up to

631
00:28:39,740 --> 00:28:35,639
younger women I tomorrow but waiting as

632
00:28:43,850 --> 00:28:39,750
well and the next thing they remembered

633
00:28:46,990 --> 00:28:43,860
was the 30-some world look it was a cell

634
00:28:52,610 --> 00:28:47,000
phone and said they do not go believe it

635
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:52,620
was what goes 519 in the morning so they

636
00:28:59,899 --> 00:28:56,010
don't remember anything from them 3205

637
00:29:01,639 --> 00:28:59,909
19 morning and they said first of all

638
00:29:03,769 --> 00:29:01,649
the nitrile would never stood by us

639
00:29:07,250 --> 00:29:03,779
fishing line for three and a half hour

640
00:29:08,930 --> 00:29:07,260
three hours 45 minutes without makeup

641
00:29:11,750 --> 00:29:08,940
doing something else maybe even do some

642
00:29:13,789 --> 00:29:11,760
outside their time also family members

643
00:29:16,570 --> 00:29:13,799
that had been doing phone calls back and

644
00:29:19,279 --> 00:29:16,580
forth for the life of your friend and

645
00:29:22,100 --> 00:29:19,289
they're out of contact for that same

646
00:29:27,259 --> 00:29:22,110
time frame morning and it did have soft

647
00:29:28,940 --> 00:29:27,269
on its with such an evil erect glad

648
00:29:31,430 --> 00:29:28,950
Lightwood went back to retrace your

649
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:31,440
entire slips but I important when I did

650
00:29:35,419 --> 00:29:33,450
the investigation they showed me said

651
00:29:36,889 --> 00:29:35,429
yeah we've got a coil here I popped the

652
00:29:39,259 --> 00:29:36,899
cooler open looking for you have to

653
00:29:42,799 --> 00:29:39,269
enjoy alcohol nothing like that bra

654
00:29:44,450 --> 00:29:42,809
party I checked it in a hand there's no

655
00:29:47,090 --> 00:29:44,460
sign to me or anything else would have

656
00:29:50,779 --> 00:29:47,100
affected that laughter client monitored

657
00:29:52,310 --> 00:29:50,789
by our he no other methods we walk the

658
00:29:54,850 --> 00:29:52,320
whole region down here to show me what

659
00:29:59,029 --> 00:29:54,860
has been after he faced all their steps

660
00:30:02,000 --> 00:29:59,039
then they were extremely scared that's

661
00:30:03,710 --> 00:30:02,010
what he described it the 19 year old was

662
00:30:05,570 --> 00:30:03,720
kind of like almost like acting that

663
00:30:08,539 --> 00:30:05,580
Bernie fighting his way I donated seat

664
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:08,549
and you have a soundy burden lips he was

665
00:30:13,399 --> 00:30:11,730
just jumping all over the place and what

666
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:13,409
I didn't tell them is that night when we

667
00:30:19,100 --> 00:30:15,690
were walking around at one time when

668
00:30:21,460 --> 00:30:19,110
they reacted I'm normally very easygoing

669
00:30:24,780 --> 00:30:21,470
that it puts a lot to get me pee my

670
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:24,790
attention like that but wonder noise is

671
00:30:30,540 --> 00:30:27,730
varied off in the distance I sense

672
00:30:32,910 --> 00:30:30,550
something myself in that direction the

673
00:30:35,790 --> 00:30:32,920
ones i say sensitives that I'd have have

674
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:35,800
some experiences from doing these

675
00:30:42,930 --> 00:30:39,850
investigations where I felt a presence

676
00:30:45,810 --> 00:30:42,940
or felt some maybe energy often a

677
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:45,820
distance or energies around and I felt

678
00:30:52,710 --> 00:30:49,570
like an energy often one distance but

679
00:30:54,650 --> 00:30:52,720
acted like nothing happened we finished

680
00:30:57,390 --> 00:30:54,660
out going for the investigation at night

681
00:31:00,660 --> 00:30:57,400
I've accepted either those that they had

682
00:31:04,170 --> 00:31:00,670
which I bet have being researched

683
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:04,180
analyzed and the belly didn't tell them

684
00:31:09,060 --> 00:31:06,250
is that following week I went back down

685
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:09,070
myself about feeling a moment and when

686
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:10,570
the first I'll see if they were down

687
00:31:15,540 --> 00:31:13,410
there at that time which they weren't

688
00:31:18,150 --> 00:31:15,550
secondly I wanted to take and basically

689
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:18,160
retrace their such as social climbers oh

690
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:23,050
I put the Gator there and you're going

691
00:31:26,340 --> 00:31:24,610
to present walking around i took the

692
00:31:28,950 --> 00:31:26,350
typical instruments investigated abused

693
00:31:31,620 --> 00:31:28,960
I didn't pick up any magnetic anomalies

694
00:31:34,410 --> 00:31:31,630
I didn't pick any unusual fluids up or

695
00:31:37,950 --> 00:31:34,420
nothing like that but I was walking

696
00:31:39,810 --> 00:31:37,960
around the region or there that but I

697
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:39,820
started walking around at the merits or

698
00:31:45,750 --> 00:31:42,850
the Walkman was the part when I hit one

699
00:31:48,210 --> 00:31:45,760
spot but look at samantha's my hand and

700
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:48,220
against completely black completely dark

701
00:31:53,610 --> 00:31:50,890
got almost no ambient light just a

702
00:31:55,830 --> 00:31:53,620
little tiny flashlight i had my him and

703
00:31:59,220 --> 00:31:55,840
also when he hit one spot I sent

704
00:32:02,370 --> 00:31:59,230
something I felt and energy and I said

705
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:02,380
whatever it was was here and I looked

706
00:32:07,380 --> 00:32:04,330
down I was standing in a impression of

707
00:32:11,700 --> 00:32:07,390
her dress barely same size as my

708
00:32:13,370 --> 00:32:11,710
shoulders and it was the only spot where

709
00:32:17,010 --> 00:32:13,380
you could see that the same type of

710
00:32:20,190 --> 00:32:17,020
damage the West but I just felt

711
00:32:23,970 --> 00:32:20,200
something was there since that time I've

712
00:32:25,830 --> 00:32:23,980
had contact with dopamine before weeks

713
00:32:28,860 --> 00:32:25,840
after he meant the 40 some world would

714
00:32:30,060 --> 00:32:28,870
swell extremely nervous he said for a

715
00:32:32,610 --> 00:32:30,070
number nights and everyone out of the

716
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:32,620
house after dark there's a matter of

717
00:32:36,820 --> 00:32:34,810
fact the nineteen-year-old stayed at the

718
00:32:40,930 --> 00:32:36,830
hall from the via 30 somewhere

719
00:32:43,090 --> 00:32:40,940
there's another family group and they

720
00:32:44,470 --> 00:32:43,100
basically all slept in the same room has

721
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:44,480
been the life of the four runs everybody

722
00:32:49,330 --> 00:32:45,890
stay in the same limpid Rafael you

723
00:32:52,180 --> 00:32:49,340
scared but not wear something that fact

724
00:32:53,799 --> 00:32:52,190
that individual out so bad they went

725
00:32:56,169 --> 00:32:53,809
about night on whose construction worker

726
00:32:58,659 --> 00:32:56,179
he also was trained in martial arts I

727
00:33:01,750 --> 00:32:58,669
can dance instructor I turned to my legs

728
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:01,760
myself well I mean there was no reason

729
00:33:07,570 --> 00:33:05,330
he should have been that's shaken up but

730
00:33:10,180 --> 00:33:07,580
whatever happens when left an impression

731
00:33:12,340 --> 00:33:10,190
of even we've talked to a cadet claim

732
00:33:16,180 --> 00:33:12,350
they would still extremely bothers you

733
00:33:19,180 --> 00:33:16,190
because he doesn't split with UFO voting

734
00:33:21,669 --> 00:33:19,190
suppose I missed three hours and 45

735
00:33:22,779 --> 00:33:21,679
minutes basis I cannot explain and I

736
00:33:25,330 --> 00:33:22,789
don't look you wouldn't happen either

737
00:33:27,430 --> 00:33:25,340
once they don't remember anything on

738
00:33:31,180 --> 00:33:27,440
time frame I could certainly see why

739
00:33:33,159 --> 00:33:31,190
that's scary now this is kind of

740
00:33:36,669 --> 00:33:33,169
interesting because this is now the

741
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:36,679
third story that I've heard when someone

742
00:33:44,110 --> 00:33:40,490
was fishing there was that famous one

743
00:33:49,419 --> 00:33:44,120
down and want to say Louisiana and I had

744
00:33:51,970 --> 00:33:49,429
the gentleman on the show where the

745
00:33:54,850 --> 00:33:51,980
supposed alien had like cones coming out

746
00:33:57,340 --> 00:33:54,860
of their head just I'm just drawing a

747
00:33:59,769 --> 00:33:57,350
blank on who that is not really nice guy

748
00:34:01,840 --> 00:33:59,779
and then of course the allagash incident

749
00:34:05,710 --> 00:34:01,850
when they were outfitting in their canoe

750
00:34:09,210 --> 00:34:05,720
so caution to everyone going fishing

751
00:34:12,190 --> 00:34:09,220
look out not exactly especially

752
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:12,200
especially literally state park all

753
00:34:17,379 --> 00:34:15,770
right long yeah it's funny about parks

754
00:34:19,839 --> 00:34:17,389
you know you hear a lot of things about

755
00:34:21,310 --> 00:34:19,849
parks people missing and all kinds of

756
00:34:24,810 --> 00:34:21,320
weird stuff have you been in touch with

757
00:34:27,730 --> 00:34:24,820
these people since and talked about this

758
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:27,740
week singh gmail is not long ago over

759
00:34:33,639 --> 00:34:29,810
the Sun I've had to close up being

760
00:34:35,379 --> 00:34:33,649
reviewed being looked at and we did find

761
00:34:38,619 --> 00:34:35,389
some materials on the clothes that we

762
00:34:40,119 --> 00:34:38,629
will close for investigation and they

763
00:34:42,339 --> 00:34:40,129
didn't really comment about their

764
00:34:46,180 --> 00:34:42,349
condition right now but I can tell that

765
00:34:49,129 --> 00:34:46,190
we the older gentleman is still upset

766
00:34:52,500 --> 00:34:49,139
then the correspondence on Windows 8

767
00:34:54,300 --> 00:34:52,510
are the 19 world the last I had

768
00:34:57,090 --> 00:34:54,310
contacted before that was a few months

769
00:34:59,190 --> 00:34:57,100
ago but he was pretty much coming back

770
00:35:02,400 --> 00:34:59,200
to normal but again you think about his

771
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:02,410
age he's 19 years old he's probably the

772
00:35:06,330 --> 00:35:03,970
most likely going to return back the

773
00:35:08,330 --> 00:35:06,340
moment somebody who's with it over

774
00:35:11,460 --> 00:35:08,340
there's going to be more upset

775
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:11,470
potentially buy something like this and

776
00:35:16,530 --> 00:35:14,530
especially he's an individual who does

777
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:16,540
his wife described it he's very much has

778
00:35:21,510 --> 00:35:19,450
to be in control of time if he said his

779
00:35:24,990 --> 00:35:21,520
no-good someplace eight o'clock he

780
00:35:26,820 --> 00:35:25,000
doesn't get there 801 yeah so now he has

781
00:35:28,500 --> 00:35:26,830
somebody basically taking to the hours

782
00:35:29,730 --> 00:35:28,510
and 45 minutes of light of day and

783
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:29,740
that's what it's for the episode and

784
00:35:36,810 --> 00:35:32,050
fight and that's what he wants an answer

785
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:36,820
for yeah that would when it happens like

786
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:38,170
that I mean I just can't even imagine

787
00:35:45,060 --> 00:35:42,010
what that's like but you know to have

788
00:35:48,150 --> 00:35:45,070
two people have it at the exact same

789
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:48,160
time it really is something that you

790
00:35:54,900 --> 00:35:50,530
know can't be explained to easily that's

791
00:35:57,240 --> 00:35:54,910
for sure exactly I'll turn it this way

792
00:35:58,920 --> 00:35:57,250
so beauty were the best Liars I've ever

793
00:36:02,820 --> 00:35:58,930
seen in my life I mean these guys

794
00:36:04,740 --> 00:36:02,830
deserved Academy Award or fins they

795
00:36:06,330 --> 00:36:04,750
skate something happened and I've talked

796
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:06,340
with Travis rotten and against Travis

797
00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:08,890
Walton to Medellin to me who has a

798
00:36:15,170 --> 00:36:12,640
delivery federal story I hate suits and

799
00:36:17,730 --> 00:36:15,180
a shared similar signs of nervousness

800
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:17,740
like my chocolate rabbits would be open

801
00:36:22,290 --> 00:36:19,930
and he discussed that movie with the

802
00:36:25,380 --> 00:36:22,300
seed of that event was really shook up

803
00:36:27,170 --> 00:36:25,390
his entire life yeah I think he's come

804
00:36:31,500 --> 00:36:27,180
more at terms with it lately in the last

805
00:36:34,710 --> 00:36:31,510
couple of years but well I the first

806
00:36:37,770 --> 00:36:34,720
time I met Travis he he just seemed very

807
00:36:41,220 --> 00:36:37,780
uncomfortable talking about it and but I

808
00:36:43,700 --> 00:36:41,230
think he's kind of he's a little bit

809
00:36:46,740 --> 00:36:43,710
more at peace with the whole thing now

810
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:46,750
that's that's the last time I talked to

811
00:36:52,500 --> 00:36:49,210
him he sort of mentioned in a roundabout

812
00:36:54,420 --> 00:36:52,510
way that that's how he's feeling his

813
00:36:56,550 --> 00:36:54,430
next impression I got to because we

814
00:37:00,120 --> 00:36:56,560
cloth and it three years ago now and

815
00:37:02,579 --> 00:37:00,130
cleaning for a conference in Ohio and he

816
00:37:07,019 --> 00:37:02,589
said basically he's no

817
00:37:09,539 --> 00:37:07,029
come to peace but in his mind is it when

818
00:37:11,009 --> 00:37:09,549
that event happening initially thought

819
00:37:13,559 --> 00:37:11,019
you know somebody's trying to get here

820
00:37:15,420 --> 00:37:13,569
or something like that now he thinks

821
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:15,430
that maybe he got closer to whatever

822
00:37:20,459 --> 00:37:18,130
this object it was but maybe almost had

823
00:37:23,370 --> 00:37:20,469
me electro static charge maybe Karen's

824
00:37:24,959 --> 00:37:23,380
no sweat something hit him and they

825
00:37:27,839 --> 00:37:24,969
actually took him inside with hoping

826
00:37:29,910 --> 00:37:27,849
Moore's translate and they want to make

827
00:37:33,390 --> 00:37:29,920
sure that he was okay before they living

828
00:37:36,299 --> 00:37:33,400
bad back well yeah that sounds over the

829
00:37:39,029 --> 00:37:36,309
roof boswells nation yeah yeah he did

830
00:37:40,799 --> 00:37:39,039
mention that on one of my shows and yeah

831
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:40,809
I think that that would certainly help

832
00:37:45,390 --> 00:37:42,249
you deal with it a lot better that's for

833
00:37:47,130 --> 00:37:45,400
sure but you're right he's up he's one

834
00:37:48,959 --> 00:37:47,140
of the credible ones out there in my

835
00:37:52,499 --> 00:37:48,969
opinion anyway and when you're

836
00:37:55,339 --> 00:37:52,509
face-to-face with someone I think you

837
00:37:58,049 --> 00:37:55,349
really get a good feel about that oh

838
00:37:59,729 --> 00:37:58,059
yeah when I got to spend pretty much

839
00:38:02,039 --> 00:37:59,739
three days later movie vitamin for the

840
00:38:05,249 --> 00:38:02,049
conference and like I mentioned my

841
00:38:07,529 --> 00:38:05,259
background was my pedigree an HR so I

842
00:38:10,170 --> 00:38:07,539
really looked at him personality wise

843
00:38:12,599 --> 00:38:10,180
but nonverbal communication was really

844
00:38:14,190 --> 00:38:12,609
looked at and to me the signs were there

845
00:38:18,569 --> 00:38:14,200
that he was a very credible witness

846
00:38:20,279 --> 00:38:18,579
right right so I wonder at those two

847
00:38:23,999 --> 00:38:20,289
guys ever went back fishing again

848
00:38:26,789 --> 00:38:24,009
together well I'm on weddings

849
00:38:28,319 --> 00:38:26,799
individuals that it's not beyond me to

850
00:38:30,690 --> 00:38:28,329
hop in the car and again on the Friday

851
00:38:32,489 --> 00:38:30,700
Saturday night don't say anything

852
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:32,499
anybody about and just drive down to

853
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:34,690
southern Ohio and ce4 there that's the

854
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:39,130
best way Wow yeah hey earlier you were

855
00:38:43,799 --> 00:38:41,170
mentioning you were up in Canada and

856
00:38:46,049 --> 00:38:43,809
then I believe you said Puerto Rico or

857
00:38:48,539 --> 00:38:46,059
some other place I can't remember it was

858
00:38:50,969 --> 00:38:48,549
in Costa Rica what are we going out I've

859
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:50,979
been doing with long distance ones yeah

860
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:53,650
I i wish i had the ability that they

861
00:38:58,229 --> 00:38:55,450
will fly down but i've been doing all my

862
00:38:59,999 --> 00:38:58,239
research by internet online for

863
00:39:01,859 --> 00:39:00,009
potentially putting individuals in

864
00:39:05,219 --> 00:39:01,869
contact with something that region once

865
00:39:07,499 --> 00:39:05,229
we leave Jennifer the case one of forms

866
00:39:09,479 --> 00:39:07,509
that we have sometimes is getting enough

867
00:39:13,390 --> 00:39:09,489
investigators are four different regions

868
00:39:16,990 --> 00:39:13,400
and Canada right now is doing a good job

869
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:17,000
estimators in building up a group of

870
00:39:22,630 --> 00:39:19,610
investigators but it's not always that

871
00:39:25,870 --> 00:39:22,640
way another countries for sometimes I

872
00:39:27,910 --> 00:39:25,880
was helping out in Canada they also had

873
00:39:30,610 --> 00:39:27,920
me doing a lot of places in England

874
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:30,620
because they had roughly about three

875
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:32,210
investigators for doing the entire

876
00:39:37,270 --> 00:39:35,090
country and they were getting as many

877
00:39:40,270 --> 00:39:37,280
cases on an average that we would be

878
00:39:42,910 --> 00:39:40,280
home in Ohio here after about 30 plus

879
00:39:44,380 --> 00:39:42,920
places a month and when you've got three

880
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:44,390
people you just get told the

881
00:39:51,330 --> 00:39:49,130
overwhelming wait he can bail you out so

882
00:39:54,490 --> 00:39:51,340
I'm one of these workaholics I jumped in

883
00:39:57,490 --> 00:39:54,500
and said sure I'll help out with it then

884
00:40:00,700 --> 00:39:57,500
they started giving me a lot of cases a

885
00:40:03,100 --> 00:40:00,710
number of them you could explain i came

886
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:03,110
across individuals who said I'm videos

887
00:40:07,630 --> 00:40:04,970
of drones they maybe didn't believe it

888
00:40:12,070 --> 00:40:07,640
they were groans I've had situations

889
00:40:15,910 --> 00:40:12,080
where could maybe even object of there's

890
00:40:17,530 --> 00:40:15,920
a method known as insects even what you

891
00:40:19,240 --> 00:40:17,540
didn't extreme back to the patient and

892
00:40:22,060 --> 00:40:19,250
what was in such whining to me

893
00:40:24,940 --> 00:40:22,070
confessing his camera but then you get

894
00:40:27,990 --> 00:40:24,950
that aha moment again where an

895
00:40:32,070 --> 00:40:28,000
individual who reported in this case it

896
00:40:34,690 --> 00:40:32,080
was a historical place there's a child

897
00:40:37,570 --> 00:40:34,700
about seven eight years old he was

898
00:40:41,020 --> 00:40:37,580
driving with the family on wolf family

899
00:40:42,370 --> 00:40:41,030
excursion went on the way back heading

900
00:40:45,690 --> 00:40:42,380
back towards where they lived there

901
00:40:48,460 --> 00:40:45,700
going down when he's world country roads

902
00:40:50,230 --> 00:40:48,470
when they had the sunroof open on the

903
00:40:51,730 --> 00:40:50,240
clarity looked out the sunroof he sees

904
00:40:55,570 --> 00:40:51,740
the objects approaching from the

905
00:40:58,330 --> 00:40:55,580
business when he sees the three objects

906
00:41:00,880 --> 00:40:58,340
approached the car stalls out again this

907
00:41:04,780 --> 00:41:00,890
kind of the bad b-movie the car stalls

908
00:41:07,060 --> 00:41:04,790
out lights go out and Mexico he looks

909
00:41:11,470 --> 00:41:07,070
over there's mom is dad in the sisters

910
00:41:13,720 --> 00:41:11,480
and they all basically fell asleep Alexa

911
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:13,730
mean he remembers his dad wakes up they

912
00:41:18,070 --> 00:41:16,370
all wake up then he starts acquired they

913
00:41:19,180 --> 00:41:18,080
take off they cancel trip that they

914
00:41:22,660 --> 00:41:19,190
figure out that they're missing

915
00:41:25,270 --> 00:41:22,670
approximately others now you think

916
00:41:27,110 --> 00:41:25,280
here's a winter child and you know how

917
00:41:33,390 --> 00:41:27,120
credible is he going to

918
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:33,400
well story wasn't intended by him he was

919
00:41:39,810 --> 00:41:38,170
talking to his mother about UFOs and she

920
00:41:43,590 --> 00:41:39,820
goes well don't you remember who we had

921
00:41:45,870 --> 00:41:43,600
art event here's what do you mean and

922
00:41:48,720 --> 00:41:45,880
she started describing it and he started

923
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:48,730
remembering the details but his mother

924
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:52,810
brought it up to him then and was a very

925
00:41:59,160 --> 00:41:56,890
deep story fianya and when he was

926
00:42:00,480 --> 00:41:59,170
talking about he says if later on his

927
00:42:04,530 --> 00:42:00,490
dad who's a little bit of strangeness

928
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:04,540
father within the later years and one

929
00:42:10,350 --> 00:42:07,690
time is glad about Madden and his bad

930
00:42:16,830 --> 00:42:10,360
said you're not my son they took my son

931
00:42:18,300 --> 00:42:16,840
Oh chief exactly here this was one of

932
00:42:20,940 --> 00:42:18,310
the case it was potentially be

933
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:20,950
overlooked just because it should die

934
00:42:26,340 --> 00:42:23,890
and just going to keep up but it was

935
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:26,350
nobody's you know stones overturn it and

936
00:42:31,740 --> 00:42:28,810
here is agenda the case I put him in

937
00:42:34,130 --> 00:42:31,750
contact with some investigators from

938
00:42:36,450 --> 00:42:34,140
England and once I've done my research

939
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:36,460
they follow up and then they actually

940
00:42:41,910 --> 00:42:39,490
got Captain Martin bold and the

941
00:42:43,910 --> 00:42:41,920
investigator over and England to talk to

942
00:42:47,930 --> 00:42:43,920
him he says you know this is another guy

943
00:42:50,610 --> 00:42:47,940
how he says again if this guy's not

944
00:42:54,350 --> 00:42:50,620
wouldn't happen again he's a fantastic

945
00:42:56,370 --> 00:42:54,360
lighter I talk to Jonah and state

946
00:42:58,110 --> 00:42:56,380
several times have been very very

947
00:43:00,540 --> 00:42:58,120
credible i watch the body language and

948
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:00,550
they found out the same thing and he did

949
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:03,490
their local investigations then all he

950
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:06,970
was warning is no fame no really he said

951
00:43:11,940 --> 00:43:09,130
just he had helped me find him an answer

952
00:43:14,460 --> 00:43:11,950
to what happened he says because this

953
00:43:16,910 --> 00:43:14,470
has got happened here and that's all he

954
00:43:20,220 --> 00:43:16,920
was looking for is just an angel wow

955
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:20,230
that's pretty amazing now as far as

956
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:23,970
MUFON goes I have a few friends that are

957
00:43:30,720 --> 00:43:27,130
you know work with MUFON mark d Antonio

958
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:30,730
on images and film and a few other

959
00:43:36,330 --> 00:43:34,330
people and there but MUFON there there

960
00:43:39,500 --> 00:43:36,340
can be some controversy about that now

961
00:43:42,740 --> 00:43:39,510
and then no I've heard

962
00:43:44,900 --> 00:43:42,750
no I got a message from an old-time

963
00:43:47,690 --> 00:43:44,910
investigator from all the way back in

964
00:43:51,230 --> 00:43:47,700
the 60s you know saying that MUFON was

965
00:43:54,580 --> 00:43:51,240
infiltrated by the government and by the

966
00:43:57,770 --> 00:43:54,590
CIA all the way back in the 1960s and

967
00:44:02,210 --> 00:43:57,780
and you kind of hear about stuff like

968
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:02,220
that what do you hear while you're you

969
00:44:07,810 --> 00:44:04,610
you're involved and move on itself

970
00:44:09,950 --> 00:44:07,820
there's always the underlying rumor is a

971
00:44:12,530 --> 00:44:09,960
potentially different people given out

972
00:44:16,250 --> 00:44:12,540
different information but in this case

973
00:44:19,730 --> 00:44:16,260
of fun who I've had a couple cases for

974
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:19,740
it come across that the witness was

975
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:22,890
approached shortly after the case was

976
00:44:29,150 --> 00:44:26,490
filed by individuals from the outside

977
00:44:31,220 --> 00:44:29,160
the organization but it makes you wonder

978
00:44:33,770 --> 00:44:31,230
on where you know where the suicide

979
00:44:36,530 --> 00:44:33,780
information wasn't on why he's

980
00:44:39,530 --> 00:44:36,540
witnessing the contact on the core to be

981
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:39,540
a very good place that's for my math

982
00:44:45,250 --> 00:44:43,170
good happy but but the thing is it

983
00:44:47,630 --> 00:44:45,260
something more volunteer organization

984
00:44:50,710 --> 00:44:47,640
and what about a volunteer organization

985
00:44:54,020 --> 00:44:50,720
you're filming the best people you can

986
00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:54,030
write you're going off of the people you

987
00:45:00,920 --> 00:44:57,690
know trusting you know putting faith in

988
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:00,930
the that's what they were for I know

989
00:45:04,970 --> 00:45:03,330
there's one else look there's always one

990
00:45:07,340 --> 00:45:04,980
or two bad apples and whatever

991
00:45:09,530 --> 00:45:07,350
organization and you know what I think

992
00:45:13,340 --> 00:45:09,540
there have been a few people that have

993
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:13,350
kind of used the title for you know for

994
00:45:18,050 --> 00:45:14,970
a little bit of Fame here and there a

995
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:18,060
little bit of screen time perhaps but

996
00:45:22,700 --> 00:45:20,850
for the most part I think that you know

997
00:45:26,470 --> 00:45:22,710
anyone that's out there volunteering and

998
00:45:29,450 --> 00:45:26,480
investigating is a is doing a good thing

999
00:45:32,050 --> 00:45:29,460
and then that's what I mean I'm a lot of

1000
00:45:34,550 --> 00:45:32,060
people they need tons of owls

1001
00:45:37,580 --> 00:45:34,560
volunteering for this project at gotcha

1002
00:45:39,500 --> 00:45:37,590
whatever they can to help out and let me

1003
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:39,510
say the other than a half inch of

1004
00:45:45,470 --> 00:45:42,810
somebody who decides to say okay I want

1005
00:45:47,930 --> 00:45:45,480
to do this for my own personal in it and

1006
00:45:49,100 --> 00:45:47,940
the thing I can look so big both rabble

1007
00:45:51,530 --> 00:45:49,110
is you know they leave

1008
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:51,540
organization because when people were

1009
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:53,810
really trying to gather more information

1010
00:45:58,130 --> 00:45:56,010
but a cause of trying to really figure

1011
00:46:01,550 --> 00:45:58,140
out you know where these things

1012
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:01,560
are literally them they'll just try to

1013
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:04,490
put an interview right now are you

1014
00:46:09,980 --> 00:46:07,650
supported by MUFON know or like to say

1015
00:46:12,950 --> 00:46:09,990
if you're a field investigator and they

1016
00:46:15,620 --> 00:46:12,960
ask you to go out to southern Ohio are

1017
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:15,630
you supported by doing that or is your

1018
00:46:20,420 --> 00:46:18,090
your gas mileage everything is all out

1019
00:46:24,260 --> 00:46:20,430
of pocket or do they actually help with

1020
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:24,270
expenses I'm supported by my mind I

1021
00:46:31,060 --> 00:46:28,650
played with my my regular job there's no

1022
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:31,070
important women in sport disc a new one

1023
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:34,650
even with any subscribers we have within

1024
00:46:38,540 --> 00:46:36,210
the state of Ohio because we put out

1025
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:38,550
whether and subscribe you list but would

1026
00:46:42,710 --> 00:46:40,050
you look that money as that goes for a

1027
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:42,720
newsletter that goes in towards post

1028
00:46:46,970 --> 00:46:44,970
about complet each year web browsing

1029
00:46:49,490 --> 00:46:46,980
going to the lining of anybody's pockets

1030
00:46:52,580 --> 00:46:49,500
in the organization those are sort of

1031
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:52,590
web pages things like that when I go out

1032
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:55,170
they do my investigations that money

1033
00:47:00,110 --> 00:46:57,210
dried out of my own pocket and I'm very

1034
00:47:03,260 --> 00:47:00,120
honest with people considering to become

1035
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:03,270
investigators because they see TV show

1036
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:05,010
sometimes they said you know hey I'd

1037
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:08,130
have to do this kind of CSI but

1038
00:47:12,260 --> 00:47:09,570
then you realize that number one they've

1039
00:47:14,210 --> 00:47:12,270
got about menya the man opened up your

1040
00:47:16,910 --> 00:47:14,220
own pocket about studying the manual

1041
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:16,920
opinion research we have to get together

1042
00:47:24,140 --> 00:47:20,930
you have to meet the mentoring processes

1043
00:47:27,830 --> 00:47:24,150
Benny find out the cage because some

1044
00:47:30,050 --> 00:47:27,840
time to add up to quite a bit how do you

1045
00:47:33,950 --> 00:47:30,060
remember programs across sort of Ohio

1046
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:33,960
find educate the public then anything I

1047
00:47:37,250 --> 00:47:35,490
get for that all they asked us to ask

1048
00:47:39,380 --> 00:47:37,260
mother just about anything only been to

1049
00:47:42,170 --> 00:47:39,390
another one to keep this type of a thing

1050
00:47:43,430 --> 00:47:42,180
blowing it's not trying to make me rich

1051
00:47:46,100 --> 00:47:43,440
because I know it wouldn't happen any

1052
00:47:49,460 --> 00:47:46,110
like I just want to take and really see

1053
00:47:53,740 --> 00:47:49,470
you followed your veins can form the

1054
00:47:56,710 --> 00:47:53,750
public is sometimes a based or painting

1055
00:48:00,530 --> 00:47:56,720
for new affiliate ports on buckets unit

1056
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:00,540
well I saw this youtube video and and

1057
00:48:06,730 --> 00:48:02,810
that's one of my pet peeves okay let's

1058
00:48:08,830 --> 00:48:06,740
we'll show you well chosen is alien okay

1059
00:48:12,610 --> 00:48:08,840
and Marc Antoni would probably laugh n

1060
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:12,620
go this isn't good CGI and I've done the

1061
00:48:17,830 --> 00:48:15,290
same thing where I've got he gotten some

1062
00:48:19,150 --> 00:48:17,840
photographs in and I look at the

1063
00:48:21,820 --> 00:48:19,160
photographs and a couple match the

1064
00:48:24,550 --> 00:48:21,830
kicking them from Canada and it was

1065
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:24,560
basing an appt putting an alien in a

1066
00:48:30,580 --> 00:48:27,650
photograph but it was extremely easy to

1067
00:48:34,210 --> 00:48:30,590
detect it then when i called the witness

1068
00:48:36,670 --> 00:48:34,220
up confronting about it oh I don't know

1069
00:48:38,950 --> 00:48:36,680
anything about that I know absolutely

1070
00:48:42,070 --> 00:48:38,960
one thing about phone apps but must

1071
00:48:44,230 --> 00:48:42,080
installed on my phone all by itself then

1072
00:48:46,240 --> 00:48:44,240
when the camera went off it must have

1073
00:48:51,010 --> 00:48:46,250
actually gone off along with the camera

1074
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:51,020
at the same time it just drives you

1075
00:48:56,710 --> 00:48:53,210
crazy and I spent I don't know how many

1076
00:48:58,420 --> 00:48:56,720
hours getting the photographs with

1077
00:49:01,720 --> 00:48:58,430
research in the photograph because first

1078
00:49:03,340 --> 00:49:01,730
time they said I thought I said when we

1079
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:03,350
the photographs you uploaded I want the

1080
00:49:10,510 --> 00:49:05,450
ones collected from your camera I don't

1081
00:49:12,940 --> 00:49:10,520
want multi-generation pockets well one

1082
00:49:14,470 --> 00:49:12,950
witness wouldn't submit me the original

1083
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:14,480
photographs kasim do what is going to

1084
00:49:18,130 --> 00:49:16,610
find the other one might bid which is

1085
00:49:21,370 --> 00:49:18,140
our shooting fish in a barrel is too

1086
00:49:23,710 --> 00:49:21,380
easy to identify then I want to say you

1087
00:49:25,900 --> 00:49:23,720
know here I've got to photograph from

1088
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:25,910
really about within seven miles each

1089
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:28,850
other of aliens one is basically by a

1090
00:49:35,860 --> 00:49:30,650
woodpile and the other one is posing the

1091
00:49:38,460 --> 00:49:35,870
bedroom and I'm look at these and say

1092
00:49:41,500 --> 00:49:38,470
you know they must have the same poses

1093
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:41,510
these are very close the aliens because

1094
00:49:46,180 --> 00:49:44,330
I mean a very photogenic they take the

1095
00:49:49,990 --> 00:49:46,190
same status not sure I mean they look

1096
00:49:52,060 --> 00:49:50,000
the same and the image it look like the

1097
00:49:55,810 --> 00:49:52,070
one that's especially strong from almost

1098
00:49:58,000 --> 00:49:55,820
like a Halloween costume Bible Charlie I

1099
00:50:00,490 --> 00:49:58,010
was said I was sent one of these by the

1100
00:50:04,210 --> 00:50:00,500
way we were yeah and it was by a

1101
00:50:05,860 --> 00:50:04,220
swimming pool yeah well my very funny

1102
00:50:08,110 --> 00:50:05,870
and you're right it is an app that's

1103
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:08,120
what I was told yeah but then there's a

1104
00:50:12,550 --> 00:50:10,610
bad thing when that same region that

1105
00:50:14,470 --> 00:50:12,560
this witness was fun he go he's what

1106
00:50:17,500 --> 00:50:14,480
insufficiency the phone

1107
00:50:19,590 --> 00:50:17,510
a week prior I got a case it's single

1108
00:50:21,670 --> 00:50:19,600
but hope you about an individual

1109
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:21,680
describing light in his bedroom going

1110
00:50:25,990 --> 00:50:23,930
around inside his bedroom we also

1111
00:50:28,990 --> 00:50:26,000
reported looking at the window and some

1112
00:50:30,130 --> 00:50:29,000
degree alien look mins window now those

1113
00:50:32,740 --> 00:50:30,140
are from the ones that kind of make you

1114
00:50:34,150 --> 00:50:32,750
go from I'm sure yeah right okay we'll

1115
00:50:36,940 --> 00:50:34,160
check it out what do the investigation

1116
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:36,950
bet yeah you know maybe I'm not going to

1117
00:50:42,700 --> 00:50:41,210
put all my hours in this one case well I

1118
00:50:44,470 --> 00:50:42,710
started doing a little internet research

1119
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:44,480
because I mentioned I'd love to do the

1120
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:47,810
research and the thing about today is

1121
00:50:52,180 --> 00:50:50,210
where we benefit something like social

1122
00:50:54,250 --> 00:50:52,190
media can go into Facebook you can see

1123
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:54,260
that the person has a facebook aside

1124
00:51:00,070 --> 00:50:56,810
kind of profile awful what you see there

1125
00:51:01,990 --> 00:51:00,080
you will delete them why I found the

1126
00:51:04,510 --> 00:51:02,000
gentleman by the same name on lincoln

1127
00:51:08,859 --> 00:51:04,520
and same area who had a very

1128
00:51:11,650 --> 00:51:08,869
professional background and if I was in

1129
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:11,660
his field that his leather according to

1130
00:51:16,150 --> 00:51:13,450
Lincoln it was the same person I

1131
00:51:20,109 --> 00:51:16,160
wouldn't want my self identified with

1132
00:51:22,990 --> 00:51:20,119
seeing aliens of the window when he's

1133
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:23,000
other photographs came out they started

1134
00:51:30,150 --> 00:51:27,290
posting stuff in local newspapers and I

1135
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:30,160
found local newspapers from the region

1136
00:51:35,430 --> 00:51:33,050
regarding these events in Lexington loi

1137
00:51:37,240 --> 00:51:35,440
tried to reach out and contact this

1138
00:51:40,570 --> 00:51:37,250
witness which may have had incredible

1139
00:51:41,950 --> 00:51:40,580
stored on it but he basic disappeared

1140
00:51:44,530 --> 00:51:41,960
and at work important I think a lot of

1141
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:44,540
it was because the notoriety from the

1142
00:51:49,599 --> 00:51:47,930
other photographs and stuff on me and he

1143
00:51:53,470 --> 00:51:49,609
may have been where these people who've

1144
00:51:55,930 --> 00:51:53,480
been having these tremendous cases but I

1145
00:51:58,720 --> 00:51:55,940
was never able to make contact because

1146
00:52:00,670 --> 00:51:58,730
of the related events because of the

1147
00:52:03,660 --> 00:52:00,680
public people filling some dope sees in

1148
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:03,670
that same area okay that's very ironic

1149
00:52:09,940 --> 00:52:07,130
now when MUFON gets these cases I know

1150
00:52:12,130 --> 00:52:09,950
Roger March does a lot of blogging about

1151
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:12,140
the cases that come in when they get

1152
00:52:19,090 --> 00:52:14,810
these cases that come in how do they

1153
00:52:21,720 --> 00:52:19,100
delegate where a case is going to go you

1154
00:52:24,820 --> 00:52:21,730
know whose is that always by region or

1155
00:52:25,970 --> 00:52:24,830
sometimes do they they go by the type of

1156
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:25,980
case it is

1157
00:52:32,150 --> 00:52:29,130
well it's actually goes both ways you've

1158
00:52:33,609 --> 00:52:32,160
got first ball lower profile cases which

1159
00:52:36,650 --> 00:52:33,619
you're not let's say for example

1160
00:52:38,810 --> 00:52:36,660
abduction let's say for example

1161
00:52:41,780 --> 00:52:38,820
sometimes maybe like a landing city is

1162
00:52:43,340 --> 00:52:41,790
extremely close encounter those cases

1163
00:52:46,010 --> 00:52:43,350
first of all with delegated down for

1164
00:52:48,070 --> 00:52:46,020
state so that MUFON does is when you

1165
00:52:50,690 --> 00:52:48,080
work for a case like right now mid-ohio

1166
00:52:52,820 --> 00:52:50,700
the case they look at they say this is

1167
00:52:55,940 --> 00:52:52,830
from Ohio let's send it to Ohio and

1168
00:52:57,859 --> 00:52:55,950
let's go 13 look at it I receive the

1169
00:53:00,020 --> 00:52:57,869
case because under limit signs all cases

1170
00:53:01,670 --> 00:53:00,030
within the state but I've got a prom

1171
00:53:04,190 --> 00:53:01,680
queen to investigators right now in the

1172
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:04,200
state but what I do is I look at the

1173
00:53:09,170 --> 00:53:06,330
region they live in an assigned cases

1174
00:53:11,870 --> 00:53:09,180
based on the region you at their few

1175
00:53:13,310 --> 00:53:11,880
exceptions I made to make where is if I

1176
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:13,320
had see the one investigators we know

1177
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:15,330
related because let's say cincinnati has

1178
00:53:20,210 --> 00:53:17,810
more cases than maybe some other region

1179
00:53:23,030 --> 00:53:20,220
I'll take and maybe try to spread the

1180
00:53:25,790 --> 00:53:23,040
wealth a little bit another thing I look

1181
00:53:27,410 --> 00:53:25,800
at is if you get that aha moment but

1182
00:53:29,150 --> 00:53:27,420
maybe this case has a little bit more

1183
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:29,160
substance which may be where people

1184
00:53:33,349 --> 00:53:31,890
realized then we may reach out to know

1185
00:53:36,470 --> 00:53:33,359
senior investigator and delegate that

1186
00:53:37,930 --> 00:53:36,480
case down to them but when you get cases

1187
00:53:41,570 --> 00:53:37,940
in this case like the induction

1188
00:53:44,090 --> 00:53:41,580
situation we had google at the star team

1189
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:44,100
and not all states have a star team but

1190
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:46,050
a number of states that it's more like

1191
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:48,810
an immediate response came when I face

1192
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:51,170
comes in the state records also notified

1193
00:53:58,099 --> 00:53:53,850
but it gets delegated down through star

1194
00:54:00,230 --> 00:53:58,109
team members from that state and our

1195
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:00,240
goal was to make contact with the

1196
00:54:05,540 --> 00:54:03,330
witnesses within three hours we want to

1197
00:54:07,340 --> 00:54:05,550
be on that scene as those of you can't

1198
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:07,350
especially if you can figure that what

1199
00:54:12,590 --> 00:54:09,410
if we had like a Roswell or ishiro honda

1200
00:54:15,170 --> 00:54:12,600
we're going to get there before these

1201
00:54:17,660 --> 00:54:15,180
bringing trust come up with canvasbacks

1202
00:54:20,060 --> 00:54:17,670
on record everything away we're going to

1203
00:54:22,970 --> 00:54:20,070
get that first opportunity they're also

1204
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:22,980
forming a newer team though that's going

1205
00:54:26,540 --> 00:54:24,930
to get a similar nature where when these

1206
00:54:29,359 --> 00:54:26,550
high-profile cases coming again

1207
00:54:30,710 --> 00:54:29,369
extremely high-profile they hit again

1208
00:54:31,650 --> 00:54:30,720
more seasoned veterans out there

1209
00:54:34,289 --> 00:54:31,660
immediately

1210
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:34,299
handled it so it's really like they're

1211
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:37,450
they look at the case the type of case

1212
00:54:44,029 --> 00:54:39,010
20 and they weren't the best people hang

1213
00:54:47,789 --> 00:54:44,039
this and we that is possible I see now

1214
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:47,799
wright-patterson and Dayton Ohio is

1215
00:54:54,299 --> 00:54:49,770
there a lot of things happening in that

1216
00:54:57,329 --> 00:54:54,309
area in particular we can live a good

1217
00:55:00,720 --> 00:54:57,339
fortunate region them and sometimes

1218
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:00,730
depends of time of year those nearly

1219
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:02,650
called the middle on Ohio down there

1220
00:55:07,799 --> 00:55:05,170
which has skydivers because what they

1221
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:07,809
like to skydive with kyra players right

1222
00:55:15,270 --> 00:55:12,130
yes and every July june july we can

1223
00:55:17,789 --> 00:55:15,280
always expect who knows how many reports

1224
00:55:20,069 --> 00:55:17,799
coming in from skydivers and you go to

1225
00:55:21,809 --> 00:55:20,079
the website you see well we didn't we

1226
00:55:24,329 --> 00:55:21,819
didn't know that we're going to attract

1227
00:55:26,099 --> 00:55:24,339
attention like this but then when you

1228
00:55:28,190 --> 00:55:26,109
look at their advertisements they say

1229
00:55:31,529 --> 00:55:28,200
that we have been known to make news

1230
00:55:34,020 --> 00:55:31,539
media that draws attention to your event

1231
00:55:35,789 --> 00:55:34,030
if you're considering clarity's which

1232
00:55:38,279 --> 00:55:35,799
method of the future the national news

1233
00:55:41,609 --> 00:55:38,289
or local news because of your forward

1234
00:55:43,769 --> 00:55:41,619
ports is little bit availability we get

1235
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:43,779
those will be the chinese lanterns but

1236
00:55:49,370 --> 00:55:45,490
when there are people with urban scene

1237
00:55:52,970 --> 00:55:49,380
objects around the the right pad area

1238
00:55:56,430 --> 00:55:52,980
and I've have a believer that you know

1239
00:55:58,859 --> 00:55:56,440
maybe with right path and legislation

1240
00:56:01,380 --> 00:55:58,869
island state but may be right that is

1241
00:56:04,289 --> 00:56:01,390
more of a simple area where the stuff is

1242
00:56:06,329 --> 00:56:04,299
being mounted well I don't know I had

1243
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:06,339
detectable it just comes up too many

1244
00:56:13,829 --> 00:56:10,930
times and and it I you know it has to

1245
00:56:17,250 --> 00:56:13,839
have something going on there I've

1246
00:56:20,789 --> 00:56:17,260
always been fascinated with that also a

1247
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:20,799
violent end of it the kid going back in

1248
00:56:26,839 --> 00:56:24,490
the 60s I remember talking to one of my

1249
00:56:29,670 --> 00:56:26,849
buddies whose blood pours a young

1250
00:56:32,940 --> 00:56:29,680
security about it right pad on the base

1251
00:56:34,980 --> 00:56:32,950
itself when he was telling his younger

1252
00:56:36,930 --> 00:56:34,990
brother about the fact that there is an

1253
00:56:40,109 --> 00:56:36,940
area bound it will occur before anybody

1254
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:40,119
thought about inside was good and

1255
00:56:43,650 --> 00:56:41,890
it made me wonder what that building was

1256
00:56:46,650 --> 00:56:43,660
no these years later was it something

1257
00:56:48,870 --> 00:56:46,660
military related or who knows maybe it

1258
00:56:53,099 --> 00:56:48,880
goes back to something being good

1259
00:56:55,020 --> 00:56:53,109
endowed by the public side right right

1260
00:56:57,839 --> 00:56:55,030
so you just talked a minute ago about

1261
00:57:00,240 --> 00:56:57,849
Chinese lantern that's another another

1262
00:57:02,730 --> 00:57:00,250
headache the hoax two videos on YouTube

1263
00:57:05,940 --> 00:57:02,740
that's another headache now we have

1264
00:57:07,770 --> 00:57:05,950
drones coming on strong and I think

1265
00:57:10,890 --> 00:57:07,780
that's going to make things even more

1266
00:57:14,789 --> 00:57:10,900
top due to have to have I know there's a

1267
00:57:17,250 --> 00:57:14,799
lot of toys roans out there that someone

1268
00:57:21,210 --> 00:57:17,260
could possibly mistake for something but

1269
00:57:23,370 --> 00:57:21,220
you hear about drones at all yes to do

1270
00:57:25,289 --> 00:57:23,380
it we've had several posted in the Ohio

1271
00:57:28,950 --> 00:57:25,299
that you know in West layers of meaning

1272
00:57:32,460 --> 00:57:28,960
those they've seen a drone I had one

1273
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:32,470
coming from northern united kingdom and

1274
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:35,530
the witness submitted a video where you

1275
00:57:39,809 --> 00:57:37,210
could see an object when what beach i

1276
00:57:41,180 --> 00:57:39,819
decide to church steeple it went up

1277
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:41,190
several hundred feet almost

1278
00:57:46,170 --> 00:57:43,690
instantaneously public there for about

1279
00:57:49,109 --> 00:57:46,180
five minutes without any emotion

1280
00:57:51,510 --> 00:57:49,119
whatsoever but a fairly intense light on

1281
00:57:54,839 --> 00:57:51,520
it and dropped exactly the way it came

1282
00:57:56,849 --> 00:57:54,849
back up after about five minutes when I

1283
00:57:59,970 --> 00:57:56,859
question the witness on it if anybody

1284
00:58:03,329 --> 00:57:59,980
was flying drones in that region he

1285
00:58:05,309 --> 00:58:03,339
really got hot huh he says I thought

1286
00:58:07,289 --> 00:58:05,319
MUFON was a credible organization that

1287
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:07,299
uses all your kind of this critical i

1288
00:58:13,650 --> 00:58:10,210
saw i said no i'm just trying to see if

1289
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:13,660
we can find a logical answer first i'm

1290
00:58:18,510 --> 00:58:15,250
not saying that's what it is that i'm

1291
00:58:20,039 --> 00:58:18,520
looking for a willing to know where he

1292
00:58:22,789 --> 00:58:20,049
says well nobody flies him around here

1293
00:58:25,349 --> 00:58:22,799
so that's it he's a ball check it out

1294
00:58:27,990 --> 00:58:25,359
several days later email be back and

1295
00:58:31,529 --> 00:58:28,000
said look nobody flies him absolutely

1296
00:58:34,109 --> 00:58:31,539
not well i did my own research and even

1297
00:58:40,109 --> 00:58:34,119
though I'm 3,000 miles away 2000 miles

1298
00:58:44,430 --> 00:58:40,119
away I found first all a secondary angle

1299
00:58:46,589 --> 00:58:44,440
of the video that same night they had a

1300
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:46,599
fireworks display going on in an

1301
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:48,970
engineer somebody was flying the drone

1302
00:58:55,330 --> 00:58:53,410
to film the thyroids secondly he said

1303
00:59:00,100 --> 00:58:55,340
nobody in the region had

1304
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:00,110
rome well he was in a town called Peter

1305
00:59:07,750 --> 00:59:03,650
day and I could make all sorts of jokes

1306
00:59:12,010 --> 00:59:07,760
about that which I won't be okay but in

1307
00:59:13,690 --> 00:59:12,020
this case he go down this this Basin

1308
00:59:16,450 --> 00:59:13,700
where he lived that out of us was flat

1309
00:59:20,470 --> 00:59:16,460
and about 200 feet was flat was his

1310
00:59:22,420 --> 00:59:20,480
hobby shop that sells drones fella

1311
00:59:24,550 --> 00:59:22,430
powders and all sorts of old vehicles

1312
00:59:26,230 --> 00:59:24,560
like that and they had a great website

1313
00:59:30,370 --> 00:59:26,240
where they built all over the country

1314
00:59:31,900 --> 00:59:30,380
and I really want to get sarcastic and

1315
00:59:33,220 --> 00:59:31,910
say on the way to the pub you know when

1316
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:33,230
you're heading down there some nightmare

1317
00:59:37,150 --> 00:59:34,610
kind of look over to your left hand side

1318
00:59:40,390 --> 00:59:37,160
and wave heights women a hobby shop is

1319
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:40,400
they're selling their drums but you know

1320
00:59:44,020 --> 00:59:42,050
you can't get like that with the first

1321
00:59:46,140 --> 00:59:44,030
you have to be respectful so I just said

1322
00:59:48,490 --> 00:59:46,150
okay this is what my findings are

1323
00:59:51,580 --> 00:59:48,500
unfortunately like up to that no I'm so

1324
00:59:54,370 --> 00:59:51,590
you know but without a doubt that in

1325
00:59:57,160 --> 00:59:54,380
years ago I also had an aerial than from

1326
01:00:00,910 --> 00:59:57,170
over London that they were flying drones

1327
01:00:02,890 --> 01:00:00,920
out doing some sort of a maybe mapping

1328
01:00:04,750 --> 01:00:02,900
surveillance over downtown lemon or the

1329
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:04,760
air it would have been commercially it's

1330
01:00:08,380 --> 01:00:06,770
like that but you can tell it when he

1331
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:08,390
blew the image of the gash you had it

1332
01:00:13,090 --> 01:00:10,370
that they extremely high quality image

1333
01:00:14,380 --> 01:00:13,100
by the way but the person sent and once

1334
01:00:17,620 --> 01:00:14,390
you make the fighter because you'd see

1335
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:17,630
exactly what it was but will the right

1336
01:00:23,020 --> 01:00:20,090
that is going to be a major problem in

1337
01:00:24,670 --> 01:00:23,030
ongoing years and will probably find no

1338
01:00:27,370 --> 01:00:24,680
restrictions on groans around certain

1339
01:00:30,610 --> 01:00:27,380
areas especially airports things like

1340
01:00:32,710 --> 01:00:30,620
that yeah there really isn't they really

1341
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:32,720
have to figure out how to map map the

1342
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:34,610
traffic out on how all that's going to

1343
01:00:41,350 --> 01:00:38,450
work and you know amazon has an idea of

1344
01:00:43,630 --> 01:00:41,360
delivering packages and you know i mean

1345
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:43,640
these things will happen eventually it

1346
01:00:49,140 --> 01:00:45,610
Giselle has to be figured out and

1347
01:00:51,580 --> 01:00:49,150
meanwhile though you know people are

1348
01:00:53,700 --> 01:00:51,590
calling in reports it makes it harder

1349
01:00:57,160 --> 01:00:53,710
and harder for an investigator I'm sure

1350
01:01:00,550 --> 01:00:57,170
it does I mean when you did let's say 30

1351
01:01:02,470 --> 01:01:00,560
for 30 a month we've got in this case

1352
01:01:05,020 --> 01:01:02,480
ten investigators and they've got 90

1353
01:01:07,660 --> 01:01:05,030
days once it pays comes into the closed

1354
01:01:09,940 --> 01:01:07,670
the place down the work

1355
01:01:11,500 --> 01:01:09,950
develop substantial I mean we may have

1356
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:11,510
to be driving out to different witnesses

1357
01:01:16,150 --> 01:01:13,730
the equations maybe not run short maybe

1358
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:16,160
multiple trips the internet research

1359
01:01:20,710 --> 01:01:17,690
trying to find out there's a plausible

1360
01:01:22,150 --> 01:01:20,720
explanation those of aircraft maybe they

1361
01:01:25,500 --> 01:01:22,160
saw Venus I mean we're getting that

1362
01:01:28,930 --> 01:01:25,510
right now this time of year again but

1363
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:28,940
why you know we try to tie up our time

1364
01:01:34,299 --> 01:01:31,490
and especially you know it would cost us

1365
01:01:37,150 --> 01:01:34,309
money in the process when we really love

1366
01:01:38,980 --> 01:01:37,160
to dedicate you know those much time as

1367
01:01:40,990 --> 01:01:38,990
possible it's extremely interesting

1368
01:01:42,670 --> 01:01:41,000
places out there but I'm being

1369
01:01:45,250 --> 01:01:42,680
distracted by somebody who just trying

1370
01:01:47,559 --> 01:01:45,260
to pull a hoax yeah it really muddies

1371
01:01:49,150 --> 01:01:47,569
the water well do you have a website

1372
01:01:52,420 --> 01:01:49,160
we're just about out of time here do you

1373
01:01:56,890 --> 01:01:52,430
have a website yes we do the website is

1374
01:01:58,420 --> 01:01:56,900
called MUFON Ohio calm when we post a

1375
01:02:00,910 --> 01:01:58,430
lot of our events that we've got going

1376
01:02:04,390 --> 01:02:00,920
on this year as a matter of fact a

1377
01:02:06,370 --> 01:02:04,400
trendy little promotion here we've got

1378
01:02:09,309 --> 01:02:06,380
our huddle Buffon conference coming up

1379
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:09,319
in June and has to be the first making

1380
01:02:13,630 --> 01:02:11,690
of June and we're fortunate to have

1381
01:02:16,839 --> 01:02:13,640
James Fox coming and he did too

1382
01:02:18,370 --> 01:02:16,849
fantastic documentaries finally what I

1383
01:02:20,799 --> 01:02:18,380
saw and out of the blue team has to be

1384
01:02:23,049 --> 01:02:20,809
none of our featured speakers along with

1385
01:02:24,579 --> 01:02:23,059
Nick Redferns coming in it just is

1386
01:02:26,770 --> 01:02:24,589
releasing the brand new book is going to

1387
01:02:29,260 --> 01:02:26,780
be talking about and we were better

1388
01:02:31,299 --> 01:02:29,270
perdon but individual speaking that day

1389
01:02:34,809 --> 01:02:31,309
who's Terry reg is a filiger together

1390
01:02:38,740 --> 01:02:34,819
from Pennsylvania Oh is he the one on

1391
01:02:41,500 --> 01:02:38,750
the orbs yes he is okay yeah and trying

1392
01:02:43,299 --> 01:02:41,510
to reach him actually anyway thanks so

1393
01:02:46,059 --> 01:02:43,309
much for being on the show today I

1394
01:02:48,460 --> 01:02:46,069
really appreciate it alright everyone I

1395
01:02:53,410 --> 01:02:48,470
have some bad news for you the internet

1396
01:02:56,230 --> 01:02:53,420
is down there's high winds where I'm at

1397
01:02:59,620 --> 01:02:56,240
I was not able to do the live show part

1398
01:03:02,579 --> 01:02:59,630
two so chip is probably going to be on

1399
01:03:06,039 --> 01:03:02,589
next week and again I apologize for that

1400
01:03:08,859 --> 01:03:06,049
so that's the end of the show and I

1401
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:08,869
apologize to the supporters for not

1402
01:03:15,430 --> 01:03:12,650
being able to put up the full two hour

1403
01:03:18,039 --> 01:03:15,440
show I mean no one really wants to just

1404
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:18,049
listen to me talk for a full hour I

1405
01:03:23,610 --> 01:03:19,330
don't think so

1406
01:03:25,290 --> 01:03:23,620
so anyway again I apologize internet was

1407
01:03:28,110 --> 01:03:25,300
down we had trouble at the Dark Matter

1408
01:03:30,530 --> 01:03:28,120
radio network as well because a computer

1409
01:03:33,870 --> 01:03:30,540
went down so it was one of those nights

1410
01:03:37,140 --> 01:03:33,880
anyway I want to thank Alejandro Rojas

1411
01:03:41,310 --> 01:03:37,150
for the news and i also want to thank

1412
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:41,320
our guests Tom workman and after that i

1413
01:03:47,490 --> 01:03:43,450
want to thank Terry Lloyd White House

1414
01:03:49,830 --> 01:03:47,500
and Bruce ranier for our music if you go

1415
01:03:53,130 --> 01:03:49,840
on our website podcast UFO com you'll

1416
01:03:57,800 --> 01:03:53,140
see a new blog posted by michael luke

1417
01:04:02,580 --> 01:03:57,810
and that is on comic books and UFOs and

1418
01:04:04,830 --> 01:04:02,590
I also want to thank Peggy shunning for

1419
01:04:06,930 --> 01:04:04,840
managing our Facebook page remember to

1420
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:06,940
Like us on Facebook for all the latest

1421
01:04:12,870 --> 01:04:10,570
UFO news and again if I could talk an

1422
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:12,880
hour and make a lot of sense and make it

1423
01:04:18,690 --> 01:04:14,410
interesting I certainly would give it a

1424
01:04:21,030 --> 01:04:18,700
try but I just I can't really think of

1425
01:04:22,830 --> 01:04:21,040
enough to say to fill up a whole hour

1426
01:04:24,930 --> 01:04:22,840
and again I do apologize for the

1427
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:24,940
supporter I will somehow try to make

1428
01:04:30,060 --> 01:04:26,770
that up to you maybe have an extra long